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 07/07/2011 06:55 PM
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fyermn
Joined: 10/21/2005
Posts: 250
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ALBACORE
Here it is after the 4th of July. What is the status of the Albacore? I have not seen many,if any,reports of them being caught with any numbers. Has anyone been able to catch more than just a few so far, or has the school by-passed Southern California this year?
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07/07/2011 08:36 PM
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SAMKANG
Joined: 05/24/2011
Posts: 28
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re: ALBACORE
Hate to be a downer, but as an average working man, this is why I don't invest a lot of money in gear anymore after I had around 2000 dollars of gear stolen.
To replace my gear I spent probably a little over 400 dollars for 3 regular rods, 2 Daiwa SL'S, and one Penn 330 GTI. No Avets, Newells, Trinidads, or any of the reels pushing 200 or more.
I have fished southern California waters including the overnight tuna fleet in San Diego since as a little kid starting from 1980.
The only constant I see is that fishing gets tougher every year.
I think I have mentioned a couple of years ago that I used to fish Hermosa Beach pier for yellowtail in the 80's with my dad. Yes, in Southern California yellowtail was a common catch in the 80's off piers. I think Hermosa Beach used to get at least 1 to a few every day during the spring through fall. Remember all of the old polariod pictures with the yellowtails, halibut, sheepshead, and WSB caught on the pier on any given tackle shop located on one? Thanks to pollution and overfishing, you will not see that again ever.
Overfishing on a global scale. Watch the yearly counts. Someone one should put up a chart of albacore catches over the years. Sometime in my life, it just won't be worth it anymore.
With the exception of the hatchery fishes like WSB, the migratory pelagics, are going to catfood and Chicken of Sea.
Alas, I hope I am wrong this year and we have a late season with the 50 lb bruisers. I think that was 2004?
This post edited by SAMKANG 07/08/2011
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07/07/2011 09:52 PM
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wxdunn
Joined: 12/31/1999
Posts: 39
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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re: ALBACORE
There were some albacore seasons back in the 1950s that were a total bust! A lot of times it has to do with ocean currents, temperature breaks, etc. which determines their eventual migration pattern. Some years (or several in a row) it seems the main body of fish just doesn't come in close enough for us to get a chance. Others, they're within 3/4 boat range. For the sake of the fleet I hope SOMETHING happens soon! Be it albacore, yellowfin, yellows on the paddies, anything! It's hard to get guys to come out fishing when the counts are low...even when the weather is awesome as it has been lately. Come one fish...
Chris Dunn
www.TheFishingWeatherman.com
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07/07/2011 10:59 PM
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SoCalAngler
Joined: 04/30/2007
Posts: 410
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re: ALBACORE
SAM,
If your were fishing the boats out of San Diego in the 80's then you should remember there was a stretch there where virtually no albacore caught for like 3 or 4 years. At that time many anglers attributed the lack of albacore to the lack of anchovies. I was on one overnighter back then when most all of the anglers applauded because one dink albie was caught on the troll as they saw it as a sign of things starting to change back to how they had been before. I agree there is a lot involved to make the cards right for the tuna to return in numbers where we can reach them just like Chris mentioned.
This post edited by SoCalAngler 07/08/2011
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07/07/2011 11:20 PM
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SAMKANG
Joined: 05/24/2011
Posts: 28
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re: ALBACORE
I am not referring to statistical aberrations.
If you smooth out the peaks and valleys over the last 30 years, I am willing to bet the number of albacore caught per year has decreased. For instance let's take a moving average of three years. Let's make it 5 years to account for the 4 or 5 years of drought you mention in the 80's.
Over time, I say this average has been on the decline. Just my opinion. I say every year, fishing has been getting poorer and poorer as a blanket statement with pockets of resistance for example WSB this year. (but that is a man-made and artificial fishery likely as a result of WSB pens and hatcheries - I am merely referring to natural stocks which the vast majority of fisheries fall into this category)
And for scientific "evidence" to back my assertion. Here is an estimate from the National Marine Fisheries Service on biomass of Albacore in the South Pacific. Their estimate for the North Pacific stock is much more optimistic however, that stock is a fraction of the stock in the South Pacific.
http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/fishwatch/images/s_pac_albacore_chart_bio.gif
Here is their chart showing actual landings, not estimates. Obviously over time, the catches are down. Around 50% of what they were in the 50's and 60's when they had much more arcane fishing technology.
http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/fishwatch/images/pac_albacore_chart_land.gif
Here is the link to the page where all this info was found.
http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/fishwatch/species/pac_albacore.htm
As an observant fisherman who looks at sportfishingreport.com on a daily basis during the fishing season and have done so since the site launched probably close to 10 years ago, I can tell you that fishing catches by all landings are on a downward path. It's no accident.
This post edited by SAMKANG 07/08/2011
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 07/07/2011 11:35 PM
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ChannelIslands
Joined: 06/26/2007
Posts: 4630
Location: The Channel Islands
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:(
ENVIRO TROLL wrote:
Hate to be a downer, but as an average working man, this is why I don't invest a lot of money in gear anymore after I had around 2000 dollars of gear stolen.
To replace my gear I spent probably a little over 400 dollars for 3 regular rods, 2 Daiwa SL'S, and one Penn 330 GTI. No Avets, Newells, Trinidads, or any of the reels pushing 200 or more.
I have fished southern California waters including the overnight tuna fleet in San Diego since as a little kid starting from 1980.
The only constant I see is that fishing gets tougher every year.
I think I have mentioned a couple of years ago that I used to fish Hermosa Beach pier for yellowtail in the 80's with my dad.
Overfishing on a global scale. Watch the yearly counts. Someone one should put up a chart of albacore catches over the years. Sometime in my life, it just won't be worth it anymore.
With the exception of the hatchery fishes like WSB, the migratory pelagics, are going to catfood and Chicken of Sea.
Alas, I hope I am wrong this year and we have a late season with the 50 lb bruisers. I think that was 2004?
You are a fake! Go away. 
Chris
It's not where you came from, but where you are going that counts!
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07/07/2011 11:40 PM
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SAMKANG
Joined: 05/24/2011
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Sorry ChannelIslands. I know it's depressing. I'm just pointing out what I see. I know I will get a lot of hate from people who think I'm greenpeace or peta. I'm not. I"m just making an observation that can be disparaging to people who love to fish. I am one of those people trust me. No fake.
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07/08/2011 08:50 AM
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Gnarly
Joined: 03/10/2007
Posts: 247
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Just my 2 cents.
I would like to know the numbers of anglers fishing the landing boats back in the days of higher counts. In the mid 70's when I was in high school I would fish the Holiday three or four times every summer. Back then anything under 60 people on board was a lite load. Every boat was packed with anglers all summer long. IMHO the cost of everything from the trip to all of the equipment have sent people to outer activities.
Plus, I was told back then some landing would inflate the dock totals to get people to the docks.
Newport Harbor High School. The flagship of the Sunset League.
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07/08/2011 12:32 PM
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fyermn
Joined: 10/21/2005
Posts: 250
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re: ALBACORE
I also believe that we are overfishing the species. Their are just to MANY people taking what the ocean has to offer. At one time, it was thought that there was enough fish in the ocean to feed the world forever. As we are finding out, that is not true. I have taken(caught) my share of fish, but absolutely none of it has ever gone to waste ( except possibly for the carcasses at the fish processors). I donate a share of the fish; I share with friends and family; and I give to the local food bank. They are all happy to receive it.
I think that we should all enjoy the sport we love doing, but we must be conscious of what we take from the ocean.
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07/08/2011 02:27 PM
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loretojoe2
Joined: 12/03/2007
Posts: 372
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re: ALBACORE
fyermn wrote:
I also believe that we are overfishing the species. Their are just to MANY people taking what the ocean has to offer. At one time, it was thought that there was enough fish in the ocean to feed the world forever. As we are finding out, that is not true. I have taken(caught) my share of fish, but absolutely none of it has ever gone to waste ( except possibly for the carcasses at the fish processors). I donate a share of the fish; I share with friends and family; and I give to the local food bank. They are all happy to receive it.
I think that we should all enjoy the sport we love doing, but we must be conscious of what we take from the ocean.
If you mean "we" as sportfishermen, I have to disagree with you.
Sportfishing is a drop in the bucket compared to the commercial industry.
Also, there are not "too many" taking the fish, it's just a few who are doing the most damage to the stocks.
Take a look at some commercial fishing magazines and you will see floating factories capable of processing fish 24/7 so you can buy it at Ralph's everyday, if you can afford it.
Just had to say that.
Loreto
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07/08/2011 05:09 PM
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ChannelIslands
Joined: 06/26/2007
Posts: 4630
Location: The Channel Islands
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re: :(
SAMKANG wrote:
Sorry ChannelIslands. I know it's depressing. I'm just pointing out what I see. I know I will get a lot of hate from people who think I'm greenpeace or peta. I'm not. I"m just making an observation that can be disparaging to people who love to fish. I am one of those people trust me. No fake.
With a join date a couple of months ago and 5 posts it raises my eyebrows as to what your motives are here. As David said it's all about the cycles.
There are species out there that are in trouble, albacore is just not one of them.
Chris
It's not where you came from, but where you are going that counts!
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07/08/2011 06:01 PM
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wahoodad
Moderator
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Joined: 12/31/1999
Posts: 9963
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ChannelIslands wrote:
There are species out there that are in trouble, albacore is just not one of them.
BINGO! They must not be in trouble, they were unlimited for many years, and I think they only put a limit of ten on to keep us from being pigs. Why you would need more than 5 is beyond me.
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