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 02/18/2012 08:51 AM
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sactotuna
Joined: 03/30/2007
Posts: 1327
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re: Some words on this from Tim Ekstrom
Steve K wrote:
There was a pretty disappointing news story that came out yesterday detailing a veteran long range angler coming off a January 15 day voyage being caught up in a CDFG investigation for selling his catch. Though this was not an angler that fished aboard Royal Star the circumstance does call for some broad reflection; we all have much at stake here.
I’m not going to get on a soap box and preach morality, we all have our share of transgressions punished and unpunished, I am simply going to make a sincere request for everyone to seriously consider the value of this fishery to ourselves and others looking forward. The long range fishery in Mexico is a privilege afforded to an extremely fortunate few. It is a privilege that can be taken away in the snap of two fingers by the Government of Mexico. Although we have forged strong relationships across the border as an industry we still have our share of detractors. The above mentioned negative news is the kind of cannon fodder such opponents are only too happy to receive; and even more happy to use.
...Please don’t succumb to any ideas about financially profiting from the product that comes from your long range trip. This is the kind of situation that creates inexpressible angst to those of us dependent on this fishery for our livelihood.
Very well said, as you'd expect, by Tim.
Human beings, who are unique in their ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their disinclination to do so.
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02/18/2012 09:57 AM
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fishybuzz
Joined: 04/22/2007
Posts: 17896
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re: Some words on this from Tim Ekstrom
exactly.......Thanks Tim......
and we wonder why it is becoming more and more difficult to Fish in Mexico.
b]sactotuna wrote:
Steve K wrote:
There was a pretty disappointing news story that came out yesterday detailing a veteran long range angler coming off a January 15 day voyage being caught up in a CDFG investigation for selling his catch. Though this was not an angler that fished aboard Royal Star the circumstance does call for some broad reflection; we all have much at stake here.
I’m not going to get on a soap box and preach morality, we all have our share of transgressions punished and unpunished, I am simply going to make a sincere request for everyone to seriously consider the value of this fishery to ourselves and others looking forward. The long range fishery in Mexico is a privilege afforded to an extremely fortunate few. It is a privilege that can be taken away in the snap of two fingers by the Government of Mexico. Although we have forged strong relationships across the border as an industry we still have our share of detractors. The above mentioned negative news is the kind of cannon fodder such opponents are only too happy to receive; and even more happy to use.
...Please don’t succumb to any ideas about financially profiting from the product that comes from your long range trip. This is the kind of situation that creates inexpressible angst to those of us dependent on this fishery for our livelihood.
Very well said, as you'd expect, by Tim.
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02/18/2012 10:52 AM
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Oakey520
Joined: 04/02/2011
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re: Some words on this from Tim Ekstrom
For arguments sake, here is a hypothetical situation.. let's say a guy makes 100K per year. A 15 day all in has to be $5,000. So this person is spending 5% of his pre-taxed annual income on one fishing trip. That is way to much in my opinion. When people stretch like this is when selling fish comes into play in order to recoup some cash. I would not think a tuna caught on a long range trip is market quality when it hits the dock so I do not think there is any real money to be made. Just some cash to soften the blow. Innocent until proven guilty and I am sure it was a misunderstanding. I have to much respect for fireman to think otherwise.
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02/18/2012 11:09 AM
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fshman1
Joined: 12/31/1999
Posts: 1021
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re: Some words on this from Tim Ekstrom
From a person who has fished long range for many years,we have all seen it at one time or other,someone catches over 30 wahoo or over 20 tuna or having nearly 2 carts full of fish at the docks.No one accuses anybody of selling or maybe even donating fish to a charity.The crews on the boats keep a pretty close tabs on daily catches and who has caught what?If there is any abuse here,who shares the blame?I really dont't care if someone needs to sell a fish or two,I care more about risking losing the sports fishery we all enjoy..IMO Ray
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02/18/2012 12:00 PM
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JigGrinder
Joined: 04/13/2011
Posts: 131
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re: Some words on this from Tim Ekstrom
PLEASE practice catch & release once you have enough fish for you, your friends and family to eat. I think some LR boats should preach more C&R than they actually do, like Tim E says, the LR industry's livelihood is on the line here. It is truly a privilege to be able to fish in Mexican waters (everyone needs to get that), and we MUST not abuse this fine fishery. Nobody is perfect and **** happens but it needs to be well known to all who fish LR that C&R and NO selling of fish are both vital components to a continued win/win relationship with Mexico. They should act no differently than we would if things worked in reverse... no free lunch to be had anywhere in this world, its all about give and take... not just take!
Tight lines!
This post edited by JigGrinder 02/18/2012
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02/18/2012 03:46 PM
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Wils
Joined: 03/21/2007
Posts: 16024
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I forgot....
most of you dedicated long range guys dont care about the "whys" of the MPAs, california regulations and the situation we poor folk face within just a few of our own home ports. and it only takes one "distinguished gentleman" to **** it up for the rest of us...thank you very much.
Question: how can a Mexican filet o'tuna be distinguished from a USA filet o'tuna?
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02/19/2012 09:37 AM
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TAURUS
Joined: 02/14/2007
Posts: 2434
Location: port san luis
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re: RR3 Angler under investigation for selling fish
Wils wrote:
phanton1 wrote:
I met all three of the guys on that trip and I would like to say, you'll be hard pressed to meet finer guys. They offered there EMT service to the captain right off the bat. They were extremely professional, and courteous. I would agree, let it play out. I would also add we all make mistakes, so goes with saying.
prisons are full of fine, professional, philanthropic guys who all made a "mistake"....and who all obviously got caught on their very first time of unknowingly breaking the law - laws that are made for ALL of us.
why cant sport-caught fish be sold? so that their isnt an endless merry-go-round of private boats heading out, catching a limit, heading in, selling their limit, heading back out to repeat the process. evfen with this law, are there still some who think they are slick? yup...just like in any other industry.
it's happening already , wils. i'd bet if you looked in the freezers of the sanctimonious jerks cheering on the witch hunt, you'd find way more than a two day limit in possession. the same guys going out day after day getting thier limit of salmon,wsb,lobster,the list is long.
they claim everyone in thier family , thier maid, gardener,etc stores thier catch in one deep freezer.
years ago there was a guy (he posted quite often here) that had a commercial license on his sportfisher.(i suspected) he was taking his commercial placards off and fishing tuna in mexican waters.(i suspected) he'd catch his sport limit in mexico then replace the placards once he was back in US waters...VIOLA ! commercial caught tuna in US waters...(i suspected)he was taking them to one of the wholesale markets i frequent in los angeles and selling them.
(lets say) i caught the fker redhanded..i (would have) explained to him that it would be best for his health and safety if i never saw or heard about him again..
i didn't , he disappeared and quit posting
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02/19/2012 10:51 AM
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oldmanmike
Joined: 12/20/2010
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re: RR3 Angler under investigation for selling fish
You are so right Chris I was on that trip and all the fire man were such right on guys and plight and helpful they certainly new the law. I feel and hope this never happened It just shows you it does not have to be the guy you think might do something like this but the guy YOU NEVER would think would do this SO very sorry for all of us who love this sport oldmanmike
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02/20/2012 09:17 AM
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Oakey520
Joined: 04/02/2011
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re: RR3 Angler under investigation for selling fish
Rodless_Jim wrote:
fishybuzz wrote:
this will get some people's attention......mostly Mexican authorities .
It has. BIG time.
One would think Mexican authorities have a hell of a lot worse things to worry about then a guy selling some ten day old tuna out of his trunk. 
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02/20/2012 09:27 AM
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fishybuzz
Joined: 04/22/2007
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re: RR3 Angler under investigation for selling fish
Oakey520 wrote:
Rodless_Jim wrote:
fishybuzz wrote:
this will get some people's attention......mostly Mexican authorities .
It has. BIG time.
One would think Mexican authorities have a hell of a lot worse things to worry about then a guy selling some ten day old tuna out of his trunk.
well it depends on what that Mexican authority's job is......sorta like here in the U.S.
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02/20/2012 09:41 AM
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Oakey520
Joined: 04/02/2011
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re: RR3 Angler under investigation for selling fish
fishybuzz wrote:
Oakey520 wrote:
Rodless_Jim wrote:
fishybuzz wrote:
this will get some people's attention......mostly Mexican authorities .
It has. BIG time.
One would think Mexican authorities have a hell of a lot worse things to worry about then a guy selling some ten day old tuna out of his trunk.
well it depends on what that Mexican authority's job is......sorta like here in the U.S.
Point well taken.
If it was a commercial operation I would see where fish and game would get involved ; one guy breaking the law selling fish to individual consumers should not cause to much concern. No way these long range fish are market grade so no large scale illegal poaching of Mexican Tuna should occur. You will just have an occasional cowboy go rogue and try and sell some tuna to recoup expenses. Not saying it is right, but it happens in all fisheries, everyday. Seems like the relationship between the long range fleet and the Mexican government is a fickle one. I hope this works out well for all.
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02/20/2012 09:43 AM
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Rodless_Jim
Joined: 09/13/2005
Posts: 1573
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re: RR3 Angler under investigation for selling fish
Oakey520 wrote:
Rodless_Jim wrote:
fishybuzz wrote:
this will get some people's attention......mostly Mexican authorities .
It has. BIG time.
One would think Mexican authorities have a hell of a lot worse things to worry about then a guy selling some ten day old tuna out of his trunk.
The people here who are paying attention are convinced (for cultural reasons) that if the police caught one angler selling sport-caught fish, there must be hundreds who sell their fish illegally and don't get caught.
There is a lot more to the story, but that is it in a nutshell. Many anglers won't understand or believe it, but this one news story has already caused enormous, and I mean ENORMOUS damage to the image of the long range fleet. It's not out in the open yet, but it will be. Elections are coming, and this kind of story generates the kind of headlines politicians want.
For now, there is an angry, icy silence from a lot of people who have been...at least until now!...real and staunch friends of all San Diego-based anglers.
As I said, it has caught the attention of the Mexican authorities in a big way.
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02/20/2012 09:52 AM
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Oakey520
Joined: 04/02/2011
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re: RR3 Angler under investigation for selling fish
Rodless_Jim wrote:
Oakey520 wrote:
Rodless_Jim wrote:
fishybuzz wrote:
this will get some people's attention......mostly Mexican authorities .
It has. BIG time.
One would think Mexican authorities have a hell of a lot worse things to worry about then a guy selling some ten day old tuna out of his trunk.
The people here who are paying attention are convinced (for cultural reasons) that if the police caught one angler selling sport-caught fish, there must be hundreds who sell their fish illegally and don't get caught.
There is a lot more to the story, but that is it in a nutshell. Many anglers won't understand or believe it, but this one news story has already caused enormous, and I mean ENORMOUS damage to the image of the long range fleet. It's not out in the open yet, but it will be. Elections are coming, and this kind of story generates the kind of headlines politicians want.
For now, there is an angry, icy silence from a lot of people who have been...at least until now!...real and staunch friends of all San Diego-based anglers.
As I said, it has caught the attention of the Mexican authorities in a big way.
Maybe it is time for our government to put forth some rules that will calm the masses. Break laws regarding the sale of tuna caught in Mexican waters, bag limits etc then lose your Mexican fishing license for one year. Second offense five years etc.
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02/20/2012 10:54 AM
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TAURUS
Joined: 02/14/2007
Posts: 2434
Location: port san luis
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re: RR3 Angler under investigation for selling fish
Oakey520 wrote:
Rodless_Jim wrote:
Oakey520 wrote:
Rodless_Jim wrote:
fishybuzz wrote:
this will get some people's attention......mostly Mexican authorities .
It has. BIG time.
One would think Mexican authorities have a hell of a lot worse things to worry about then a guy selling some ten day old tuna out of his trunk.
The people here who are paying attention are convinced (for cultural reasons) that if the police caught one angler selling sport-caught fish, there must be hundreds who sell their fish illegally and don't get caught.
There is a lot more to the story, but that is it in a nutshell. Many anglers won't understand or believe it, but this one news story has already caused enormous, and I mean ENORMOUS damage to the image of the long range fleet. It's not out in the open yet, but it will be. Elections are coming, and this kind of story generates the kind of headlines politicians want.
For now, there is an angry, icy silence from a lot of people who have been...at least until now!...real and staunch friends of all San Diego-based anglers.
As I said, it has caught the attention of the Mexican authorities in a big way.
Maybe it is time for our government to put forth some rules that will calm the masses. Break laws regarding the sale of tuna caught in Mexican waters, bag limits etc then lose your Mexican fishing license for one year. Second offense five years etc.
i disagree...it sounds like all rules concerning the mexicans were covered...the law that is in question is a US one concerning the sale of sport caught fish..i think the mexican gov could care less
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