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 02/20/2012 06:02 PM
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wallace
Joined: 09/17/2011
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re: RR3 Angler under investigation for selling fish
1) Can you tell me if it is legal or not legal to give away processed fish ?
If so....
2) Can we give the fish away but have our "friends" pay for the processing?
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02/20/2012 06:39 PM
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mogandave
Joined: 04/19/2007
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re: RR3 Angler under investigation for selling fish
I think you’d be okay, as long as you don’t hand him the fish, and have him hand you the money to pay for the “processing” later.
Guy got busted for (allegedly) selling sport-caught fish, not for giving it to his friends.
“Every crowd has a silver lining"
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02/20/2012 06:54 PM
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wallace
Joined: 09/17/2011
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re: RR3 Angler under investigation for selling fish
chester smith wrote:
??Catch and give fish away? ? 
That what friends are for. It's called being nice.
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02/20/2012 06:58 PM
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wallace
Joined: 09/17/2011
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re: RR3 Angler under investigation for selling fish
I was hoping that Tim, or someone who truly knows what is and isn't crossing the Legal lines would chime in. I guess I could ask DFG for a real answer. No offense, Thanks for offering Your Opinion, But; this would be helpful to know just in case I get some fish processed, or trade for cans and keep it all.
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02/20/2012 07:02 PM
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chester smith
Joined: 10/29/2004
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re: RR3 Angler under investigation for selling fish
You feel we should all target hundreds of pounds of fish so we might get enough to give some away?
cause we should be nice
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02/20/2012 07:03 PM
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Wils
Joined: 03/21/2007
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re: RR3 Angler under investigation for selling fish
chester smith wrote:
??Catch and give fish away? ?
thats funny right there. close friends, vets and one neighbor get some of the fish that I choose to kill - no matter where it was caught....processing free of charge.
as for some folk rationalizing that the original guy was re-couping/paying for his trip through an illegal transaction? That directly goes to merchandising the product to pay for the addiction. hmmmm
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02/20/2012 07:44 PM
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mogandave
Joined: 04/19/2007
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re: RR3 Angler under investigation for selling fish
chester smith wrote:
You feel we should all target hundreds of pounds of fish so we might get enough to give some away?
cause we should be nice
No, I feel you-all should do what you want with your fish, as long as it complies with the regulations. That’s why we have regulations. I don’t think the problems we have are due to law abiding citizens catching their limit and giving it away, I think the problem comes from people that do not abide by the laws. Typically, this results in people (like you apparently) wanting to punish the law-abiding citizens for the actions of a few criminals, by enacting stricter laws, which of course will have no effect on criminal activity. But it might make the people supporting stricter regulations feel better, and I guess that’s the important think.
“Every crowd has a silver lining"
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02/20/2012 09:27 PM
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Baja Dreamer
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Joined: 02/09/2004
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re: RR3 Angler under investigation for selling fish
wallace wrote:
1) Can you tell me if it is legal or not legal to give away processed fish ?
To the best of my knowledge you can give away anything you want to. Then whoever you give it too might have a possession problem with unlabeled fish in their freezer if they don't have a fishing license.
wallace wrote:
If so....
2) Can we give the fish away but have our "friends" pay for the processing?
How is a DFG warden supposed to believe that whoever you gave the fish to only "paid for the processing"?
wallace wrote:
I was hoping that Tim, or someone who truly knows what is and isn't crossing the Legal lines would chime in.
Tim who?
FISH AND HUNT HARD!
Chris
This post edited by Baja Dreamer 02/21/2012
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02/21/2012 12:36 PM
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TAURUS
Joined: 02/14/2007
Posts: 2434
Location: port san luis
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re: RR3 Angler under investigation for selling fish
wallace wrote:
1) Can you tell me if it is legal or not legal to give away processed fish ?
If so....
2) Can we give the fish away but have our "friends" pay for the processing?
1....legal
2...giving away yet also being reimbursed for processing costs is also legal
bottom line....you can't profit off your fish and you can't expense the cost of your sport fishing trip
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02/21/2012 04:49 PM
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mogandave
Joined: 04/19/2007
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re: RR3 Angler under investigation for selling fish
TAURUS wrote:
...you can't expense the cost of your sport fishing trip
Unless you take a customer or a few employees two with you.
“Every crowd has a silver lining"
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02/21/2012 06:57 PM
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wallace
Joined: 09/17/2011
Posts: 68
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re: RR3 Angler under investigation for selling fish
TAURUS wrote:
wallace wrote:
1) Can you tell me if it is legal or not legal to give away processed fish ?
If so....
2) Can we give the fish away but have our "friends" pay for the processing?
1....legal
2...giving away yet also being reimbursed for processing costs is also legal
bottom line....you can't profit off your fish and you can't expense the cost of your sport fishing trip
I hope that you are right, Thanks for the answers, and You get an "A" in reading comprehension and a Gold Star for being a good guy. I knew all I had to do was ask a simple question.( a couple of times, Ha HA)
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02/21/2012 08:29 PM
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gernsey
Joined: 02/25/2007
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re: RR3 Angler under investigation for selling fish
Rodless_Jim wrote:
Oakey520 wrote:
Rodless_Jim wrote:
fishybuzz wrote:
this will get some people's attention......mostly Mexican authorities .
It has. BIG time.
One would think Mexican authorities have a hell of a lot worse things to worry about then a guy selling some ten day old tuna out of his trunk.
The people here who are paying attention are convinced (for cultural reasons) that if the police caught one angler selling sport-caught fish, there must be hundreds who sell their fish illegally and don't get caught.Quit trying to make something out of nothing.
There is a lot more to the story, but that is it in a nutshell. Many anglers won't understand or believe it, but this one news story has already caused enormous, and I mean ENORMOUS damage to the image of the long range fleet. It's not out in the open yet, but it will be. Elections are coming, and this kind of story generates the kind of headlines politicians want.
For now, there is an angry, icy silence from a lot of people who have been...at least until now!...real and staunch friends of all San Diego-based anglers.
As I said, it has caught the attention of the Mexican authorities in a big way.
Its funny,you can sell fish all day long in Mexico from a local sport fishing boat to resturants or who ever and no one bats an eye .But some guy sells a few pounds of tuna in Redondo beach and the media and every alarmist in town make it seem like a national security threat.STUPID!!!! The Mexican gov't could care less about this.They have there hands full with the 200 murders a day through out the country.Quit trying to make something out of nothing.
This post edited by gernsey 02/21/2012
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02/22/2012 03:35 AM
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conchydong
Joined: 11/09/2009
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re: RR3 Angler under investigation for selling fish
gernsey wrote:
Rodless_Jim wrote:
Oakey520 wrote:
Rodless_Jim wrote:
fishybuzz wrote:
this will get some people's attention......mostly Mexican authorities .
It has. BIG time.
One would think Mexican authorities have a hell of a lot worse things to worry about then a guy selling some ten day old tuna out of his trunk.
The people here who are paying attention are convinced (for cultural reasons) that if the police caught one angler selling sport-caught fish, there must be hundreds who sell their fish illegally and don't get caught.Quit trying to make something out of nothing.
There is a lot more to the story, but that is it in a nutshell. Many anglers won't understand or believe it, but this one news story has already caused enormous, and I mean ENORMOUS damage to the image of the long range fleet. It's not out in the open yet, but it will be. Elections are coming, and this kind of story generates the kind of headlines politicians want.
For now, there is an angry, icy silence from a lot of people who have been...at least until now!...real and staunch friends of all San Diego-based anglers.
As I said, it has caught the attention of the Mexican authorities in a big way.
Its funny,you can sell fish all day long in Mexico from a local sport fishing boat to resturants or who ever and no one bats an eye .But some guy sells a few pounds of tuna in Redondo beach and the media and every alarmist in town make it seem like a national security threat.STUPID!!!! The Mexican gov't could care less about this.They have there hands full with the 200 murders a day through out the country.Quit trying to make something out of nothing.
I would tend to believe Tim Ekstrom and Rodless Jim on this as they both have a more direct involvement with this issue than you do. Just sayin...
Some words on this from Tim Ekstrom
There was a pretty disappointing news story that came out yesterday detailing a veteran long range angler coming off a January 15 day voyage being caught up in a CDFG investigation for selling his catch. Though this was not an angler that fished aboard Royal Star the circumstance does call for some broad reflection; we all have much at stake here.
I’m not going to get on a soap box and preach morality, we all have our share of transgressions punished and unpunished, I am simply going to make a sincere request for everyone to seriously consider the value of this fishery to ourselves and others looking forward. The long range fishery in Mexico is a privilege afforded to an extremely fortunate few. It is a privilege that can be taken away in the snap of two fingers by the Government of Mexico. Although we have forged strong relationships across the border as an industry we still have our share of detractors. The above mentioned negative news is the kind of cannon fodder such opponents are only too happy to receive; and even more happy to use.
...Please don’t succumb to any ideas about financially profiting from the product that comes from your long range trip. This is the kind of situation that creates inexpressible angst to those of us dependent on this fishery for our livelihood.
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