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Ryanfish

I finally got time to look at the links you posted.

David Holts hooked me up with them before they were posted publicly after I caught some sharks of interest to him.

I would like to see more thresher tracks not much there.

I would all so like to do some satellite tagging of Salmon sharks in Prince William sound.

Did an feature article for pacific coast sportfishing.

Guest writer for Fred Archer shark chummers bible and a Salmon
shark DVD by Chuck Myers Productions.

I hope to be involved in adding some Swordfish data to the links.

Anyone that looks at the links should notice some significant influences on the data.

California current and the Davidson current associated with Chlorophyll & SST all so influenced by sea mounts & up welling.

They all are great influences in my opinion and exactly what I have been studying concerning Swordfish and the gill-net fleet.

One must look out side of his small local picture.

The harpooners are just a small part of the equation in my opinion, a small part of a really big picture.

At the bottom is an example of what I have been studying to catch up on the learning curve of Swordfish.

BFT Opah are just a few of the bigger gill-net picture.

I use to have a grid map of the CPU for gill-netters any chance you can get one from say Kathy Campbell the team leader for marine mammals?

The grid map associated along with the cal & david currents SST & chlorophyll structure present a wealth of information.

I am a Plummer and have built a shark sling with 2" ABS if you need any help I have a truck full of tools and a pair of scissors that will cut 2" PVC like butter.

http://sanctuarysimon.org/regional_sections/oceanography/o_overview_map.php

http://www.mbari.org/education/internship/06interns/papers/SRizk.pdf

Any opinions on the behavior patterns associated with makos swordfish etc. and Humboldt's influence in recent years regarding NOAA collecting from the gill netters fish stomachs ?

This post edited by Keith Poe 11/14/2009

11/13/2009 12:46 AM

re: Research and Fishing

Keith Poe wrote:
I finally got time to look at the links you posted. David Holts hooked me up with them before they were posted publicly after I caught some sharks of interest to him. I would like to see more thresher tracks not much there. I would all so like to do some satellite tagging of Salmon sharks in Prince William sound.

If your talking about TOPP they have actually tagged a bunch of Salmon sharks with both SPOT satellite tags and POP-up tags 206 tags in 123 sharks or something close to that

The do not use a sling, but more of a trampoline structure to handle them when attaching the tags.

You can see a video on it here:

http://www.topp.org/features/tagging_salmon_sharks

You can see the actual migration patterns of every salmon shark they have tagged since 2002 here:

http://www.topp.org/species/Salmon_Shark

Or the graphed migration patterns in track lines of the most recent ones here:

http://las.pfeg.noaa.gov/TOPP/TOPP_tracks.html

Pretty amazing stuff I had not idea they spent so much time off California. For instance the tagged Salmon Shark 78123 1707001 on the Aug 22 2007 in Alaska and it carried the tag until Sept 3 2009 But it spent the majority of that time off California.

Cool stuff, great program, there's just an amazing amount of information at their website. Way to much to take in at first glance. The more I see about TOPP the more I am impressed by them.

Jim

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This post edited by Jim Day 11/13/2009

11/13/2009 01:22 AM

re: Speaking of Salmon sharks or Sharks in the winter

Forget Blues and Makos and fish Salmon Sharks local!!

Messing around on the TOPP site and looking at their migration tracks I found that Salmon sharks come right in to our water even right off Redondo Canyon and Santa Monica bay.

In January of 2007 this Satellite tagged Salmon shark came right up to San Pedro while another tagged Salmon Shark was up by the Channel Islands.

A week later he was right in front of Redondo, and his buddy had moved down some toward Nic.

In March 2007 another different Sat tagged Salmon shark came by right off Redondo as well.

... and once again it was accompanied by another of the TOPP Sat tagged Salmon sharks as well.

Considering there are only a dozen or so of these TOPP Sat tags deployed at any one time, and considering additionally that all these sharks were tagged in Prince William Sound, thousands of miles away, it's simply amazing that more then one of them showed up local at the same time, and not just once but twice in 2007. that's got to be more then a coincidence. That would suggest that there were many more them around then just those two. If there was those two sharks in our waters at the same time there must be hundreds of Salmon sharks around with them.

Amazing stuff!!

I had no idea they migrated through our local fishing areas. If they are there we can fish them. Maybe I'll have to go out and fish them myself this Winter.

Jim

11/13/2009 03:12 AM

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Xlobsterman

re: Speaking of Salmon sharks or Sharks in the winter

WOW...................that TOPP website is f#cking COOL!!!

It is simply amazing what they have been doing for the past 9 years, and the proof is on the website!

Maybe one of these days the http://www.taggerinternational.com & the http://www.sharktagger.com websites will actually have something interesting posted online for all of us to view, that is if they ever get back online! surprise

http://www.xlobsterman.com

11/13/2009 03:32 AM

re: Speaking of Salmon sharks or Sharks in the winter

Jim

I have a copy of the shark chummers bible here if you are interested.

I did a lot of research on them before I went to Alaska to fish them.

The area I was fishing them has had aerial surveys of 2000 of them in one area they return to ever year only a few square miles.

They are mostly all Females 350 pounds and up. They have been reported to 1000 lb. I believe and the US navy clocked them at 50 mph.

They follow the salmon there and back and meet the males locally off the channel islands in the California current area off the channel islands.

I believe the males are here from Japan if I remember correctly.

One really important thing to keep in mind if your interested in targeting them is I found they do not like dead bait and will go in water to the shore line.

We had to simulate life with a jigging action or deep drop with a jig and got an instant response after no response to drifting dead still baits.

I would troll if I was going to target them here.

All so they would hide down 100 - 300' right off shore where it was straight down 300' waiting for a school to come by and would run them down.

Chuck Myers has the full DVD.

They fight hard like threshers fast like a mako and come to the boat spent like a thresher.

Small teeth like a Thresher but super rotund like a white shark.

Up close full of color really beautiful fish brown with spots.

Might check out commercial landings from gill-nets to get an idea of abundance.

I believe Alaska only allows 1 a year per angler could be wrong.

I would all so look at salmon in the local report of landings up north and here.

I have all ways been amazed by how few target HMS locally with a great variety of species to be targeted year round.

Salmon sharks will come right to the boat.

I believe the SST was 65 - 68 when Steve Chuck and I were in Alaska

I believe another SST indicator is the water across the Pacific the males travel in.

http://anglerstube.com/view/202/salmon-shark-fishing-pt-1/

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This post edited by Keith Poe 11/13/2009

11/13/2009 02:11 PM

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Pelagic Hunter

re: Fall turns to Winter... prospects for shark fishing?

Thanks for sharing that link Ryanfish.

11/13/2009 08:06 PM

re: Speaking of Salmon sharks or Sharks in the winter

Xlobsterman wrote:
WOW...................that TOPP website is COOL!!!

It is simply amazing what they have been doing for the past 9 years, and the proof is on the website!

Maybe one of these days the http://www.taggerinternational.com & the http://www.sharktagger.com websites will actually have something interesting posted online for all of us to view, that is if they ever get back online!

Randall

As the owner of Tagger International and Shark Tagger .com I would like to address your post.

The TI site has never had more than under construction and I do not believe I will open it again.

The ST site has the tagging data reporting form available to permitted taggers to report their catch data on line rather than
snail mail.

The ST site has the DFG shark tagging new letter posted.

The sonic tracking from NOAA with their permission.

Now that the satellite data is available to the public it will also be included.

I will also provide a link to the NOAA DFG research after it is ready of all the tagging data.

The age study as well another link.

I will also provide a study that shows tuna are possibly stronger swimmers.

Lots of great links to scientist studies.

You should add it to your site it's a simple link to great work by scientist.

What happened to the AFTCO tagging stick I gave you? Do you still have your tags from TI?
Would have been nice to see a TI tag in the Porbeagle shark you caught.

There are TI tags in the Atlantic on swordfish and long fin makos in New Zealand.

Best of luck to you next season

This post edited by Keith Poe 11/14/2009

11/13/2009 10:22 PM

re: Fall turns to Winter... prospects for shark fishing?

RyanFish

What impact do you believe the weak El Nino will have on the California current reversal and Davidson in spring?
Seems the equatorial trade winds might impact this situation?

http://www.weather.nps.navy.mil/~psguest/OC3570/CDROM/winter2006/Boyd/report.pdf

Mark here is a map of the Hake migration you were looking for.

(((((((((((Page 36)))))))))))

http://www.usglobec.org/reports/pdf/rep07.pdf

This post edited by Keith Poe 11/14/2009

11/13/2009 10:30 PM

re: Speaking of Salmon sharks or Sharks in the winter

Xlobsterman wrote:
WOW...................that TOPP website is f#cking COOL!!! It is simply amazing what they have been doing for the past 9 years, and the proof is on the website!

I hear that!!! I learned more about shark migration looking at that site for a few hours the I learned in four decades fishing them.

Absolutely the most amazing, and enlightening things I've seen about sharks since I started fishing them in the sixties.

Jim

11/13/2009 11:21 PM

re: Speaking of Salmon sharks or Sharks in the winter

Jim how was the trip in the sixties?

Catch any ? where did you fish ? would of loved to have been on that trip.

11/14/2009 02:33 AM

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Xlobsterman

re: Speaking of Sharks

Keith Poe wrote:
What happened to the AFTCO tagging stick I gave you? Do you still have your tags from TI?
Would have been nice to see a TI tag in the Porbeagle shark you caught.

Well Keith,
I still have that Aftco Tag Stick you gave me, and when I tell everyone the story behind how I got it given to me, they start laughing their asses off!!!! I still have the text from that message thread saved on my old computer in the basement, maybe I should dig it out and share the story again?

I still have the Tagger International Tags you set me, but I would not waste my time using them, as you are not willing to provide me, or anyone else here with any info from the program that you have been running for the past 10 years! So what's the point of using any tags from your half-assed tagging program? down

I did tag a few blue sharks this summer for the Dept. of Fisheries & Oceans here in Nova Scotia.

Here is a pic of 2 free swimmers I tagged this summer:

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11/14/2009 02:43 AM

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Xlobsterman

re: Speaking of Trips

Keith Poe wrote:
Jim how was the trip in the sixties?

I don't know about Jim's trip's in the sixties, but I had a few psychedelic trip's in the late 70's!

http://www.xlobsterman.com

11/14/2009 04:06 AM

re: Speaking of Trips

That was funny Randall

Nice picture of the free swimming tagged blue sharks.

As far as the TI program being anything less that complicit with the DFGs program its plenty good enough for DFG and NOAA the organizers of the satellite tags you like so much to request and research.

When they publish it you should post it on your web page I will on the ST site.

The DFG never even had a tag site.

Hope you do not get depressed when the data is published.

Randall I have made plenty of mistakes in life but giving you a tag stick was not one of them.

This post edited by Keith Poe 11/14/2009

11/14/2009 02:38 PM

re: Speaking of Salmon sharks or Sharks in the winter

Keith Poe wrote:
Jim how was the trip in the sixties? Catch any ? where did you fish ? would of loved to have been on that trip.

It's been a long time but fishing was great in the late sixties and early seventies in Texas.

When I was about nine or ten my best friend and his family invited me to stay with them for a month at their place in South Padre. Every day we spent all day wade fishing in the surf catching mostly specks pompano and jacks. Every once in a while we'd hook up to something large that would just cut us off. I asked a grown up fisherman what they were and he said sharks. So I went to the bait store bought some little wire leaders and shrimp and then started fishing for them. By the end of the trip I was pretty much only fishing for sharks, fishing off the jetty just outside the surf line and catching shark after shark. Mostly Bonnet Heads, and small black tips but I did catch a Lemon shark that trip that was maybe 5 feet long. Not huge by local standards but huge to me at the time. After that I was hooked and went down to the Gulf every chance I could to fish sharks. By the time I was sixteen I was swimming out whole bonito and jack heads on 12/0s, so I pretty much grew up fishing sharks.

Great times. I often think about moving back just for the surf fishing down there.

Jim

11/14/2009 03:02 PM