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Fall turns to Winter... prospects for shark fishing?
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 11/14/2009 09:34 PM
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Keith Poe
Joined: 12/31/1999
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re: Speaking of Salmon sharks or Sharks in the winter
Jim great history Amigo thanks for sharing.
I use to live in Huston when I was 10 years old 1972 Guy took me and my older brother Doug to Galveston who had a private boat.
The fishing off the private pier was incredible including incidental sharks.
My first fishing trip was behind Sam's in Sea beach at age 4.
I have the picture.
I have fished out of Captain Elliott's & Dolphin Docks in the Gulf
Saw about 100 threshers a charter brought in look to be a small brown thresher. You have any experience with them?
Samuel Gruber in Florida does a lot of work with Lemon sharks Bull Hammers etc. He called me an interviewed me once about the Mako Magnet seems he is the one that figured the low frequency on them.
Everything we fished for in the Gulf we limited.
I have family in Alabama & Texas and Louisiana.
When I was in Alaska I meet a guy that told me about the ling run really close to shore in the surf with monstaa makos schooling the run.
Here is a rare catch from the surf but I believe it could be duplicated if they figure out and fish the ling run.
Here's a friend hand feeding a mako off shore in the gulf
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11/15/2009 03:45 PM
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Jim Day
Joined: 03/04/2007
Posts: 10559
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re: Speaking of Salmon sharks or Sharks in the winter
Keith Poe wrote:
Jim great history Amigo
It is what it is.... definitely a trip I'll always remember.
Keith Poe wrote:
I have fished out of Captain Elliott's & Dolphin Docks in the Gulf Saw about 100 threshers a charter brought in look to be a small brown thresher. You have any experience with them?
I have no idea what you could possibly be talking about. There are no little brown threshers in the Gulf that I know of. In fact in all the years I fished there I never met anyone that caught a thresher there.
Keith Poe wrote:
When I was in Alaska I meet a guy that told me about the ling run really close to shore in the surf with monstaa makos schooling the run. Here is a rare catch from the surf but I believe it could be duplicated if they figure out and fish the ling run.
Sounds like someone who was just making things up. The story simply makes no sense at all because Makos and Cobia run at different times of the year, as they like widely different water temperature ranges (eighty vrs sixty degrees) It's about the equivalent of saying Salmon sharks run in the surf in Santa Monica Bay chasing Dorado.
Mako's do come into the surf at Padre every once in a while usually in the winter when the water is extremely clear and cold by Texas standards. Cobia or "Lings" are there in the summer when the water is much, much, much, warmer.
It takes a weird chain of events to get Mako's in the surf there. You have to have a current that is pushing cold offshore water in to the beach coupled with like a week of exceptionally calm weather with little wind and almost no surf. Most of the winter the water tight to the beach at Padre is anywhere from sandy dirty green to chocolate brown, but it has to be gin clear for Mako's.
I've never caught them but I've fished the conditions. When the water clears like that it's time to switch to sharks because winter or summer that's when the large models come in from offshore.
You can't target Mako's there, they just occasionally come through. All the Makos I've heard of anyone catching there were large solo adults as it's not a nursery area for them.
Oz Got a big one 9'6" in December a few years back and released it.
You might want to note how clear the water is in the pic. Anyone who's fished there for any length of time knows that that's a one in a million condition in December. It doesn't even look like Padre the water is so clear. If I did not know the history of the catch I would of thought that pic was from the Pacific, somewhere like Australia, but it is Padre even if it does not look like it.
Usually on a really nice calm clear day in December the water looks like this:
That would be clear day, a good time to try for Bull sharks, blacktips, as it's a little clean for Bull reds.
I love it when the water clears up like that. In the summer those clear conditions produce big Tigers and Hammerheads:
Even targeting large sharks in the surf there, you'll catch a hundreds of Tigers, Bulls, Hammers, and Blacktips for every Mako you catch there. They are just that rare in those waters.
Jim
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11/15/2009 11:52 PM
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Ryanfish
Joined: 12/31/1999
Posts: 13
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re: Research and Fishing
Keith Poe wrote:
I am a Plummer and have built a shark sling with 2" ABS if you need any help I have a truck full of tools and a pair of scissors that will cut 2" PVC like butter.
http://sanctuarysimon.org/regional_sections/oceanography/o_overview_map.php
http://www.mbari.org/education/internship/06interns/papers/SRizk.pdf
Any opinions on the behavior patterns associated with makos swordfish etc. and Humboldt's influence in recent years regarding NOAA collecting from the gill netters fish stomachs ?
Thanks Keith for the offer on the tools, you know, I just used a miter saw and it worked fine. I don't really have an opinion on those links/data because I'm not sure what exactly is going on but it looks like interesting stuff. I'm reading that seamount PDF now.
Jim Day wrote:
Forget Blues and Makos and fish Salmon Sharks local!!
Messing around on the TOPP site and looking at their migration tracks I found that Salmon sharks come right in to our water even right off Redondo Canyon and Santa Monica bay.
In January of 2007 this Satellite tagged Salmon shark came right up to San Pedro while another tagged Salmon Shark was up by the Channel Islands.
A week later he was right in front of Redondo, and his buddy had moved down some toward Nic.
In March 2007 another different Sat tagged Salmon shark came by right off Redondo as well.
... and once again it was accompanied by another of the TOPP Sat tagged Salmon sharks as well.
Considering there are only a dozen or so of these TOPP Sat tags deployed at any one time, and considering additionally that all these sharks were tagged in Prince William Sound, thousands of miles away, it's simply amazing that more then one of them showed up local at the same time, and not just once but twice in 2007. that's got to be more then a coincidence. That would suggest that there were many more them around then just those two. If there was those two sharks in our waters at the same time there must be hundreds of Salmon sharks around with them.
Amazing stuff!!
I had no idea they migrated through our local fishing areas. If they are there we can fish them. Maybe I'll have to go out and fish them myself this Winter.
Jim
Jim, that is a very interesting proposition. First, I didn't even see the zoom tool on those maps; when you zoom in you can see what structure and routes these species are taking around our area, very cool. Secondly, that salmon shark data is very cool. I wonder where in the water column they are hanging out. I'm sure they have the data from the tags...? I have heard salmon sometimes hang out in so cal during the winter... hell, my buddy caught a silver salmon in Newport Harbor near the Balboa Bay Club a few years back. Makes sense that the sharks would follow them down, and take advantage of the relatively warmer water. I have never heard of any catches down here though, but perhaps they are mistaken for makos if caught.
Keith Poe wrote:
RyanFish
What impact do you believe the weak El Nino will have on the California current reversal and Davidson in spring?
Seems the equatorial trade winds might impact this situation?
http://www.weather.nps.navy.mil/~psguest/OC3570/CDROM/winter2006/Boyd/report.pdf
Mark here is a map of the Hake migration you were looking for.
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http://www.usglobec.org/reports/pdf/rep07.pdf noshade size=1 color=#909090>
Keith, again, I'd like to know more, but not sure on this one. I myself am somewhat skeptical of an El Nino making a significant impact upon our waters up here. So far, there is little sign of it, but lots of talk and excited fisherman. We will see I guess.. bring it on!
Also, very cool pictures in the last few pages in this thread guys... the hand feeding mako, and beach fishing for sharks! Isn't it great that fishing is enjoyed virtually everywhere around the world and each locality has it's own fishery/techniques/people.
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11/16/2009 10:28 PM
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Ryanfish
Joined: 12/31/1999
Posts: 13
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re: Research and Fishing
Hey guys, one cool thing I found tonight on the internet- if you download the latest version of Google Earth, there is a feature for underwater seafloor mapping browsing. When you download the new version, turn on "water surface" under the "view" menu tab. Then zoom in as far as you can on the water... this will take you "underwater" much like StreetView takes you on to the street level in GoogleMaps. You can explore like a fish all the offshore banks and structure, in 3D view. Pretty cool.
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