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saints coach and G M suspended
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 03/22/2012 12:25 PM
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Boltar
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re: saints coach and G M suspended
Hithard wrote:
Boltar wrote:
fishybuzz wrote:
well I hope this will stop the bounty hunters......
It won't stop the actions but it'll stop any type of talking about it. Players will continue to try and whack guys, it's part of the game.
We'll see if this actually stands up. I'm sure they'll be some type of legal challenge.
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/21/nfl-suspends-saints-coach-ex-coordinator-over-bounty-program/?hpt=hp_t1
I don't know if I'd describe it as part of the game.
Played high school and college ball. 25 years as a high school coach. Friends with several ex nfl players. Friends with nfl trainer. Friends with one of the guys who gives out fines for nfl "infractions". All of them pretty much agree with me.
"Whacking", as in trying to hit a guy as hard as you can is and will always be part of the game.
"I'll show you bitches how to catch a Wahoo!"Boltar
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03/22/2012 01:10 PM
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Hithard
Joined: 06/25/2004
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re: saints coach and G M suspended
You shared most of that background/resume information before. I still don't know what that has to do with paying players to injure other players. "Whacking" players, solid hits and strong blocks are one thing, but systemic incentivizing of injury (clean or otherwise and looking back at their pattern there was plenty of otherwise) is poor sportsmanship at best and at worst outright dangerous, not to mention against the rules of the NFL.
And that I have or have had friends (that I competed with or against) in several professional sports including the NFL has no bearing on whether or not I think this is wrong and should not be a part of the sport.
Having said all that I don't disagree that a certain level of violence and danger are inherent to football (which I do consider part of the game), but the belief that trying to hurt other people is part of the game and always will be I can't agree with.
I do think there is some political implication to the severity of the sanctions with the concussion suits, etc...but in the end what Williams has been doing for years is in bad taste and he apparently is going to pay dearly (possibly with his career)
Boltar wrote:
Hithard wrote:
Boltar wrote:
fishybuzz wrote:
well I hope this will stop the bounty hunters......
It won't stop the actions but it'll stop any type of talking about it. Players will continue to try and whack guys, it's part of the game.
We'll see if this actually stands up. I'm sure they'll be some type of legal challenge.
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/21/nfl-suspends-saints-coach-ex-coordinator-over-bounty-program/?hpt=hp_t1
I don't know if I'd describe it as part of the game.
Played high school and college ball. 25 years as a high school coach. Friends with several ex nfl players. Friends with nfl trainer. Friends with one of the guys who gives out fines for nfl "infractions". All of them pretty much agree with me.
"Whacking", as in trying to hit a guy as hard as you can is and will always be part of the game.
EDITBTW for clarity its the payment for cart offs and implied attempt to injure that I disagree with. I'm all for smashmouth football, but the days of Ronnie Lott and Jack Tatum are past and IMO should be, the long term damage to these guys is a societal issue that should be addressed at the earliest stages of sport.
Catch'em, let'em go and catch'em again!
Mike on the BygBahd
21' Striper
This post edited by Hithard 03/22/2012
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03/22/2012 02:35 PM
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Wils
Joined: 03/21/2007
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re: saints coach and G M suspended
me thinks the players union is going to remain mute on challenging any players suspensions WHEN they are handed down. Why? how can they ask for more "pension $$$ due to injury" money next time their contract comes up for renewal if they openly condone the intentional game ending/career ending hits?
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03/26/2012 08:40 AM
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Boltar
Joined: 05/13/2004
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re: saints coach and G M suspended
The reason I state my "bona fides" is to provide some evidence behind my statement.
I agree that openly paying guys for taking guys out was and is stupid but even without the financial incentive, it will still occur. Bragging rights if nothing else.
If we're so concerned about injuries, why play games in the rain, snow, and ice?
Players are much more likely to be injured in those situations.
"I'll show you bitches how to catch a Wahoo!"Boltar
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03/26/2012 09:43 AM
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fishybuzz
Joined: 04/22/2007
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re: saints coach and G M suspended
Boltar wrote:
The reason I state my "bona fides" is to provide some evidence behind my statement.
I agree that openly paying guys for taking guys out was and is stupid but even without the financial incentive, it will still occur. Bragging rights if nothing else.
If we're so concerned about injuries, why play games in the rain, snow, and ice?
Players are much more likely to be injured in those situations.
every football movie I ever watched besides the Marshall team movie always had a component of injuries and how they were part of the game and how they impacted the outcomes of games and players....just saying where do you draw the line.....it is definite advantage to have the other team 's star sitting on the bench injured.....football is a violent game that's the attraction for football fans as opposed to ice dancing......
This post edited by fishybuzz 03/26/2012
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03/26/2012 02:32 PM
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Boltar
Joined: 05/13/2004
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re: saints coach and G M suspended
fishybuzz wrote:
Boltar wrote:
The reason I state my "bona fides" is to provide some evidence behind my statement.
I agree that openly paying guys for taking guys out was and is stupid but even without the financial incentive, it will still occur. Bragging rights if nothing else.
If we're so concerned about injuries, why play games in the rain, snow, and ice?
Players are much more likely to be injured in those situations.
every football movie I ever watched besides the Marshall team movie always had a component of injuries and how they were part of the game and how they impacted the outcomes of games and players....just saying where do you draw the line.....it is definite advantage to have the other team 's star sitting on the bench injured.....football is a violent game that's the attraction for football fans as opposed to ice dancing......
Every contact sport from basketball to hockey has it's share of violence. Heck, even NASCAR has a saying, "rubbin' is racing". Translated it means "I'm going to knock you, bump you, run off the track", whatever I've got to do to win.
The NFL doesn't seem to have a problem with shooting guys up with pain killers that allows them to play. Every NFL team has an entire staff dedicated to getting players who are injured back onto the field, many times when they are less than 100%. The NFL will let them play in 25 below 0 weather or 100 plus degree weather with 95% humidity and not worry about their health.
IMO, the NFL only cares about money. When this story comes out, it tarnishes the image of the NFL and that looses them money. I don't buy for one minute that the players are their main concern. If it was, the things I mentioned above would not be allowed either.
"I'll show you bitches how to catch a Wahoo!"Boltar
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