2nd Grade Math Quiz
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Not exactly a question in arithmetic. More a test of reading comprehension and logic. If you take two away, then you have two. However, in common parlance you are using the word "you" in two different ways. If "you" take two away is being used in the generic sense meaning if "a person" takes two away. The second usage "how many do YOU have" uses the word for the specific "you", a singular person.
A good example of a trick question; the kind to be discouraged in school tests because they really are more a demonstration of the poser's cleverness than the student's achievement in any given subject. JMO.
A good example of a trick question; the kind to be discouraged in school tests because they really are more a demonstration of the poser's cleverness than the student's achievement in any given subject. JMO.
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Looks like a fun way to teach math. If that comes in a book available to buy, please let me know. My kids are finishing up 3rd and 1st grades, and in general their school work looks designed to keep them interested much more than I remember mine. They also love those "find the word" puzzles where there's a square of four hundred letters--great to keep them busy in the car.
Hawk--exactly.
Hawk--exactly.
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Yes, it's semantics in our point of view, but it's also math combined with literal usage of grammar. It's basic English. You, meaning literally the person the question is posed to.
It's a trick question, and it teaches YOU (or at least grown ups who are used to the general meaning of something like "you take away") to think outside of the box. Hence it's a trick question and one that is given in magnet school programs.
It's a trick question, and it teaches YOU (or at least grown ups who are used to the general meaning of something like "you take away") to think outside of the box. Hence it's a trick question and one that is given in magnet school programs.
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To add on, honestly, I don't remember doing averages in the 2nd grade, but according to this page I found, here is a problem that grades k-2 do in a magnet program.
I do however remembering doing addition and subtraction in kindergarten and even multiplication.
What Ghostboy's daughter has over there is basically a child's version of Soduku if I am not mistaken. (never really Sodukued and not sure if I'm even spelling it right).
Anyway, here is another example of a magnet school K-2 math problem...
http://mathforum.org/workshops/documents/primarypowsample.pdf
I do however remembering doing addition and subtraction in kindergarten and even multiplication.
What Ghostboy's daughter has over there is basically a child's version of Soduku if I am not mistaken. (never really Sodukued and not sure if I'm even spelling it right).
Anyway, here is another example of a magnet school K-2 math problem...
http://mathforum.org/workshops/documents/primarypowsample.pdf
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My older 2 children our both in public school and when I look at their homework I am surprised at the level of work they give them for their age. I have a son in kindergarten and he is already performing addition and subtraction problems. They also give far to uch homework to mu daughter in third grade. She usually spends 2.5 to 3 hours day on homework. A little heavy for a 9 year old IMHO!SAMIAM said:
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That was uncalled for dawg.
As far as I'm concerned all us fisher guys look like we should be spitting tobacco and driving Chevy Silverados. At least that's how I feel like when I'm on an party boat. Actually in LA, nowadays I sort of feel like I'm fishing in Compton on any given 3/4 day and out in SD, I feel like I'm at at an NRA convention.
Anyways, TB make sure your kids save up all their academic efforts for high school when it really counts. I guess burning up a lot of energy on the books during the last few years of grade school, completely slacking in Jr high, and then burning the midnight oil during the four years of high school is a good strategy as it worked for me in getting into the college of my choice. You just have to know that kids burn out and if they spend all their formative years stressing over schoolwork, something is gonna give sooner or later so the key is to pace your self, rest when its not important, and exert your energy when it really counts (like high school before you apply to college).
As far as I'm concerned all us fisher guys look like we should be spitting tobacco and driving Chevy Silverados. At least that's how I feel like when I'm on an party boat. Actually in LA, nowadays I sort of feel like I'm fishing in Compton on any given 3/4 day and out in SD, I feel like I'm at at an NRA convention.
Anyways, TB make sure your kids save up all their academic efforts for high school when it really counts. I guess burning up a lot of energy on the books during the last few years of grade school, completely slacking in Jr high, and then burning the midnight oil during the four years of high school is a good strategy as it worked for me in getting into the college of my choice. You just have to know that kids burn out and if they spend all their formative years stressing over schoolwork, something is gonna give sooner or later so the key is to pace your self, rest when its not important, and exert your energy when it really counts (like high school before you apply to college).
Coming from a guy who had a Catholic education in 1st & 2nd grades, and all through High School, you need to understand that things have changed. If your kid is going to a high achieving public Magnet school, he or she is blowing Catholic schools out of the water academically.
I was no dummy in school and always scored well above the 90th percentile in standardized scoring for all subjects. Despite that fact, my daughter (who has gone exclusively to high scoring public magnet or lottery schools since the second grade) is way beyond where I was at comparable grade levels. I don't know if it was her piano lessons from age five to eight, or the partying I did in college, but she got past the point where I could reliably help her with math homework about half-way through seventh grade. She is now about to finish eighth grade and she is done with Algebra 1 and is doing basic trig and geometry. At my Catholic High School I didn't start Algebra 1 until 9th grade, and I didn't start trigonometry until eleventh grade.
The amount of nightly homework she has done from fifth grade on is off the charts compared to the homework I did while going to Catholic schools. (My wife doesn't work outside the home, but staying on top of my daughter's homework is damn near a full time job.)
I was always a big fan of Catholic education in the past as well, but academically things have changed if you are considering the best public schools.
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I was no dummy in school and always scored well above the 90th percentile in standardized scoring for all subjects. Despite that fact, my daughter (who has gone exclusively to high scoring public magnet or lottery schools since the second grade) is way beyond where I was at comparable grade levels. I don't know if it was her piano lessons from age five to eight, or the partying I did in college, but she got past the point where I could reliably help her with math homework about half-way through seventh grade. She is now about to finish eighth grade and she is done with Algebra 1 and is doing basic trig and geometry. At my Catholic High School I didn't start Algebra 1 until 9th grade, and I didn't start trigonometry until eleventh grade.
The amount of nightly homework she has done from fifth grade on is off the charts compared to the homework I did while going to Catholic schools. (My wife doesn't work outside the home, but staying on top of my daughter's homework is damn near a full time job.)
I was always a big fan of Catholic education in the past as well, but academically things have changed if you are considering the best public schools.
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I wen to a top LAUSD public high school, my wife went to Catholic school. We are both blown away by the homework that our 7 and 9 you have been bringing home from the local LAUSD elementary school. My 3rd grader also has 2 hours+ of homework a night, plus at least 20 minutes reading. Vocabulary words like "stupendous"....in kindergarten....and spelling words like "camouflage" in second grade.
Unfortunately, it seems that what they are being taught is geared towards standardized testing at least as much as pure learning--its easier to test for spelling, vocabulary and math, while it seems like they are not getting the kind of science, history and geography type instruction that I remember.
Unfortunately, it seems that what they are being taught is geared towards standardized testing at least as much as pure learning--its easier to test for spelling, vocabulary and math, while it seems like they are not getting the kind of science, history and geography type instruction that I remember.
The observation about no time for playing is a valid concern. My daughter comes home from school, relaxes for about thirty minutes, and then gets started on homework which takes ninety minutes to 2.5 hours. By the time she does some basic chores (straighten room and feed the dogs) there's not much time left before dinner. And at these levels it's actually not as bad now (in 8th grade) as it was when she was in 4th, 5th, & 6th grade. Back then she always had well over two hours of homework per night. The bottom line is that there is a lot more expected of these kids academically than there was when many of us were in school. Since the school day is the same as it has always been, the difference is really noticeable in the homework. Bill
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Very good point. We break up the homework, and the kids spend one day a week at an after school day care (so they can play with friends as well as do homework) and both go to karate classes 3x a week.mogandave said:
Despite all the work, I can't tell if they are actually learning any more than we did.
"......I was no dummy in school and always scored well above the 90th percentile in standardized scoring for all subjects. Despite that fact, my daughter (who has gone exclusively to high scoring public magnet or lottery schools since the second grade) is way beyond where I was at comparable grade levels. I don't know if it was her piano lessons from age five to eight, or the partying I did in college, but she got past the point where I could reliably help her with math homework about half-way through seventh grade. She is now about to finish eighth grade and she is done with Algebra 1 and is doing basic trig and geometry. At my Catholic High School I didn't start Algebra 1 until 9th grade, and I didn't start trigonometry until eleventh grade......"
But you have to remember something. Kids today have to learn the basics at a younger age, because science and mathematics have advanced so far since we were young, that the kids today have much more to learn. The stuff we learned in college is being taught in high schools today, because much of what is being taught in college today didn't exist when we were there.
But you have to remember something. Kids today have to learn the basics at a younger age, because science and mathematics have advanced so far since we were young, that the kids today have much more to learn. The stuff we learned in college is being taught in high schools today, because much of what is being taught in college today didn't exist when we were there.
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walkerman said:
Uh, I just finished engineering school about ten years ago, and until you got into the upper division courses most of the science was a hundred years old and most of the math 200.
Of course, back then we still had to put on our own condoms and figure out for ourselves why Mary had two Mommies?.
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