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Meeting: Tuesday November 28, 5:30 pm, @ DP Youth and Group Facility.
Dana Point Harbor Department Revitalization Meetings are your opportunity to participate in the future of Dana Point Harbor.

Also, please join in on the planning discussion board. The future of Dana Point Harbor - Slips, Launching Facilities, Storage, and Retail Core - is at stake.

Without public input on the Dana Point Harbor Redevelopment Plan, you get what you are given, and that's that.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DanaPointharborRevitalizationBoaters/

Also, please invite/encourage other Dana Point Harbor boaters to participate.

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Thanks for catching the glitch. You are correct - meeting is Oct 24.

sano

(note to self: look at the calendar - see the calendar)
 

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The launching facility is already jacked up with half of the ramp blocked by what appears to be dredging equip. There are a bunch of parking spots marked cars only now. The ramp was a Zoo last Sat - way worse than a normal Sat. I guess the plan is too increase revenue by charging up the ass for a spot in the new stack facility. The irony is most of those boats never move from where they are parked now. I have towed a little farther to launch there because I liked the facility. Oh well!

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Tell it to the county at the DPHD boaters meeting. Tonight. They do not read internet chat boards.
 

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>Tell it to the county at the DPHD boaters meeting. Tonight.
>They do not read internet chat boards.

There in lyes the problem. Everyone wants to voice there opinions on the web but won't do it in person! Then they'll all complain about the outcome.

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>>Tell it to the county at the DPHD boaters meeting. Tonight.
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>>They do not read internet chat boards.
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>There in lyes the problem. Everyone wants to voice there
>opinions on the web but won't do it in person! Then they'll
>all complain about the outcome.
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>Danny

The powers that be could care less about our input. The whole public process is for legal reasons to protect the outcome of lawsuits. In addition it keeps the complainers at bay until the hammer drops. Examples, The original harbor contruction late 60's. Save Salt Creek early seventys. Harbor rehab - grab the money 2006.

Good Luck with your efforts.


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I was at the meeting. Unfortunately, the launchramp and trailer parking were not on the agenda. They have moved into addressing the concerns of the slip owner and the complete replacement of all docks. It got heated at times and the meeting was packed!

The launch/parking sitch is scheduled to come up at one of the later meetings, according to a county employee I talked to; a gentleman named Gregory J. Dean who is a lease compliance specialist. He offered to put me in touch with the guy who is supposedly in charge of the ramp/parking situation.

But he again reiterated (again, only a verbal contention) that there will be MORE public parking for boats than currently exists. If that is supposed to include the stacked storage in the Embarcadero, I dont know.

But I will be finding out. He invited me down for a chat about the situation. Maybe next week.

Edit: Hey Sano, I think you should create a new post for the next meeting instead of editing this one that involved the October meeting. Very confusing if people read down and see talk about October and the meeting date at the top is November.
 

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Hey Sano, I think you should create a new post for the next meeting instead of editing this one that involved the October meeting. Very confusing if people read down and see talk about October and the meeting date at the top is November.

sano: okee doke. Good Idea. Done and done.

I suggested to Mr. Caravalho Wednesday that the DPHD provide a schedule of the 5 meeting agendas so that people can make sure to attend those meetings of interest, and avoid meetings that don't interest.

However, it is my opinion that every facet of the redevelopment impacts every other facet, and that all meetings should be conducted in this context.

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The commercial core is infringing on space that IS currently launch ramp parking and dry storage, which in turn is impacting on the shipyard and vertical storage.

Seems to me that if the boat barn upsets the views of Lantern Bay, then it should be moved closer to the bluffs and closer to the commercial core so as not to impact those views. The vertical storage facilities are, after all, no more massive than the proposed retail expansion building.

Did anybody else percieve the irony in the speakers concern for boaters having to walk an extra 80' on a long ramp... while at the same time they propose eliminating parking next to the docks in the east cove? Yup. Parking lots will be replaced by retail and a bigger hotel, and boaters parking will move to the north side of the new big buildings. Boaters will have "drop off" points for their lunch boxes and passengers.... then drive to park north of the retail mall and hotel, or farther, then walk back, through the malls to the dock gate. Will there be dedicated pedestrian corridors from the parking lots to the dock gates? How many cars will the drop off points accomodate, and how long will cars be allowed to park in them? What about all the mechanics and boat workers? You pay port to port for mechanics and BW's. All that extra walking, loading and unloading. Yes, you will pay for that time, too.

Ramp schmamp.... break out yer hiking boots.
 
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