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I wanted to use a pot puller for hoop netting, but got mixed answers, so I sent an email to DFG, and here is thier response.

Here is the email that I sent.

I'm a recreational fisherman and have been hoop netting lobsters for few years. At the local launch ramp, I've ran into DFG field officers (by the way, you guys do a great job) on several different occassions, and noticed that you have one of those pot pullers on the boat. I've asked one of the agents if it was legal for private boaters to use one of those pot puller, and was told yes.

I just wanted to confirm that pot pullers were legal for pulling up lobster hoop nets prior to investing in one.

Are they legal, and if so, are there any restrictions?

Thank you in advance.

Here is their response.

Yes, sport fishermen can use powered pot pullers to pull their lobster hoop nets.

Best Regards,

Ed Roberts

Edgar W. Roberts III
Marine Biologist
Invertebrate Management Project
California Department of Fish and Game
619 Second Street
Eureka, CA 95501
707.441.5757 Office
707.445.7883 Fax
707.290.5336 Cell
[email protected]

Visit the Marine Region's Website at:
www.dfg.ca.gov/mrd




John
"Bass Hole"
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Wow, thanks john!

Thats great confirmed information. I know there are some states that any boat that has a power puller is considered a commercial vessel. I'm glad we in there clear here. Also, I don't really think we need a power one so much as some kind of manual winch since I only pull up the 10 pots per boat....although I'm sure if you're doing alone you might want a power puller..

thanks
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Great feedback John!

SUGGESTION
I would carry a printed copy of the email response
from Ed Roberts with you on your boat as a safety net.

John.
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>Great feedback John!
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>SUGGESTION
>I would carry a printed copy of the email response
>from Ed Roberts with you on your boat as a safety net.
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>John.
>Parker 2320 'FloMar'.

John,

I've already have a laminated copy of the email on the boat. lol...

John
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All of the recreational crabbers up north use a puller. Some are just manual davit style and some are motorized. They are fishing traps and not hoops, however. I really love fresh Dungeness...daresay as much as lobster. I wanna go up and catch some this year.
 

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I believe something changes at Pt. Conception.
Is this above that line?

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Parker 2320 'FloMar'.
 

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I'm not disagreeing...I honestly have no idea...but what portion of the F&G Code causes you to believe that motorized pullers are not allowed?

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I was told years back in a conversation with a DFG Warden at their
Long Beach Facilty it fell under FISH AND GAME CODE 7256. He said,
"See this? It says hand or hoop net. This means no mechanical device
to pull your net. Got it." He tried force-feeding his interpretation
of the information that the "by hand" statement overlapped into the
hoop net statement meaning to pull your hoop net by hand and not by
machine. Of course I crossed my eyes, looked at him and said "HUNH!?".

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=fgc&group=07001-08000&file=7256

Then he discussed FISH AND GAME CODE 9053 with me.
HE said even though this is for commercial fisherman . .

DFG Warden: "Do you see this wording anywhere else?"

John: "Look this is why I'm asking you"

DFG Warden: "This means if it's not stated then it can't be used"

John: "This sure seems like YOUR interpretation"

AT this point he became angry with my questions.
BTW, I was thrown out of his office and escorted from the building.
AUTHORITY in even it's rawest form never likes to be questioned.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=fgc&group=09001-10000&file=9050-9055

To this day I have no-idea how to interpret some of the
REGS because they are opaque and overlap in too many ways.

You might want to have your own conversation with a DFG Warden?
I'm constantly amazed at the interpretation each DFG Warden can
give to the same question.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/calawquery?codesection=fgc&codebody=&hits=20

John.
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>I sure thought Jim Day tried that a few years ago and it
>turned out it was illegal!

You got it backwards..

I built a puller, it's legal, and I still use it when I hoop from my skiff.

I didn't use it last night though because I was hooping from my kayak.



Man my arms are sore right about now x( :7

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Hate to rain on your parade John but pullers are legal. Randall used one, I've used one, I've been checked, it's no big deal.

Don't let that dissuade you in any way though. Facts do sometimes take all the fun out of arm waving ;-)

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Doesn't matter to me Jim as I have no vested interest either way.
Works for me, I'll just quote your post from this point forward.

Take care.

John.
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>Doesn't matter to me Jim as I have no vested interest either
>way.
>Works for me, I'll just quote your post from this point
>forward.
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>Take care.
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>John.
>Parker 2320 'FloMar


Don't quote me I'm a nobuddy to the DFG..

Quote this....
______________________________________________________________________

Yes, sport fishermen can use powered pot pullers to pull their lobster hoop nets.

Best Regards,

Ed Roberts

Edgar W. Roberts III
Marine Biologist
Invertebrate Management Project
California Department of Fish and Game
619 Second Street
Eureka, CA 95501
707.441.5757 Office
707.445.7883 Fax
707.290.5336 Cell
[email protected]

Visit the Marine Region's Website at:
www.dfg.ca.gov/mrd

______________________________________________________________________

I'm no expert, but I believe an E-mail can be used in court as a legal document.

Legally speaking.... that's a ruling by the DFG......and if I'm not mistaken that's what this thread is supposed to be about ;-)


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Thanks for the cuddos..It's custom, I built it, but after hooping all night...I am way to tired to talk about it now.


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If I used a mechanical device to pull hoop nets I'd definately carry a
printed copy of the email above. I might even go as far as getting my
own personal copy of an email sent directly to myself from Ed Roberts.

One can never CYA enough IMO.

John.
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>>I sure thought Jim Day tried that a few years ago and it
>>turned out it was illegal!
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>You got it backwards..
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>I built a puller, it's legal, and I still use it when I hoop
>from my skiff.
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>I didn't use it last night though because I was hooping from
>my kayak.
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>Man my arms are sore right about now x( :7
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>Jim
>


Thanks for the clarification Jim! ;)

ps: The oil collecting started last week:)
 
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