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I have been lurking here for a while and enjoy the info posted here. I live in Texas and therefore fish the GOM. One thing that is very obvious is you left coast guys do some things and use some gear that is nonexistent here in the GOM for the most part. A great example is hollow core line. I am going to load a reel with Jerry Brown and have two questions that I can not find answers to locally. First, what is Jerry Browns web address? Where do I find information on how to properly serve the connection? Thanks in advance for the help. If there is already thread here some where I have not found please point it out.

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I like the website and have looked around and found some good info on it. I could not find anything on the site about how to properly serve the line when flouro or mono is inserted into the hollow. I also could not get their Jerry Brown link to work.
 

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Blackwater has a good discussion with pictures on their web site about making topshots with hollow spectra and also various knots for connecting spectra to mono. The site is: www.blackwaterinternationalinc.com/tech_tips.htm
 

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Lew said:
Blackwater has a good discussion with pictures on their web site about making topshots with hollow spectra and also various knots for connecting spectra to mono. The site is: www.blackwaterinternationalinc.com/tech_tips.htm
http://www.blackwaterinternationalinc.com/tech_tips.htm

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Oldtrackster, Jerry suggested to me years ago that it is important to apply a smooth, rounded, bullet shaped point on the end of the mono that is inside the spectra. Once the end is outside the spectra, apply this and work the mono back inside. REK.

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fishordie said:
Just curious why Blackwater serves have the serving line go back over itself so as to double the serve diameter?? Any one know?? Jamie
I would also like to hear opinions on this. Is this a common practice, to back over the serve?

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If you've got your technique down, one-way serves are the ticket and definitely less bulky. To get a good start, visit your local archery shop and they should be able to show you enough to get going. As with anything else, the more you practice, the more refined your technique will get. Don't be afraid to evolve and try new materials. Test your connections by pulling on them yourself, not on the back of a truck where you can't see anything! Call or email if you've got any questions.

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Thank you Basil,

I just wanted to make sure there was not something new out there I had missed when I was out fly fishing. I've never had one, single directional served windon/topshot, fail me yet be it Basil's, my own or anyone else's I have used.

A double thickness serve made no sense to me but I am willing to listen and learn about ANYTHING new that comes out.

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Looking at the Blackwater tutorial, it says to stop the serve at the connection point. Serve on the hollow only, no serve on the mono/fluoro. I thought you are supposed to run the serve a bit past the connection point, a little serve on the mono/fluoro. Say, one inch on the hollow, 1/4 inch off, onto the mono/fluoro. Am I missing something here?

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REK said:
Looking at the Blackwater tutorial, it says to stop the serve at the connection point. Serve on the hollow only, no serve on the mono/fluoro. I thought you are supposed to run the serve a bit past the connection point, a little serve on the mono/fluoro. Say, one inch on the hollow, 1/4 inch off, onto the mono/fluoro. Am I missing something here?

REK.
I read somewhere that because the mono stretches and the spectra doesn't, that under tension the serve can separate at the point where it overlaps the joint.
 

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fishordie said:
Thank you Basil,

I just wanted to make sure there was not something new out there I had missed when I was out fly fishing. I've never had one, single directional served windon/topshot, fail me yet be it Basil's, my own or anyone else's I have used.

A double thickness serve made no sense to me but I am willing to listen and learn about ANYTHING new that comes out.

Jamie
Jamie, I fished with the guys from Bob's Sporting Goods on the 10 day last year and Liwei was doing a lot of serves using that method. If you get a chance to stop by the store, check to see when he's going to be there and he'll show you what he does and how he does it. He's a very knowledgeble guy and will share the information. He was using a serving tool much like that one, and some very fine thread, too.
 

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REK said:
Looking at the Blackwater tutorial, it says to stop the serve at the connection point. Serve on the hollow only, no serve on the mono/fluoro. I thought you are supposed to run the serve a bit past the connection point, a little serve on the mono/fluoro. Say, one inch on the hollow, 1/4 inch off, onto the mono/fluoro. Am I missing something here? REK.
I read somewhere that because the mono stretches and the spectra doesn't, that under tension the serve can separate at the point where it overlaps the joint.
Method One: The oldest, time-tested, method employs the use of a series of tightly drawn half-hitches using waxed dental floss or 30 lb test Spectra line. About two inches of half hitches are made on the braided line with the Mono inside and ½ inch of half- hitches onto the mono alone. The ends of the half-hitches are then buried in the same manner a rod builder does it (no adhesive is needed but may be used as an aid to assembly). Only this one series of lashing is needed; a second one would be counterproductive. The end of the mono inside the braided line must be free so that when pressure is applied, the braid can be stressed tight throughout the length of the mono inside. Putting glue on any point other than the transition point where the mono exits the braided line weakens the Chinese Finger Cuff. To hold the lines while making the half-hitches, a device with two clamps is sold. You can devise your own or solicit help from someone who will hold the line while you half-hitch. Method Two: Taken from a saved doc folder, from Jerry's site. Been running my serves down the mono a bit, no issues, no failures. No, I do not use floss or 1/2 hitches. I use a bow string serving tool and spectra. More than one way to skin a cat...I guess. Still would like to know if I'm reading this wrong. REK.

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