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I need some input from you Southern Californians, or anyone who has seen Kevin Love much. I am almost embarrased to admit this but I am a Memphis Grizzlies season ticket holder. We were hoping for a #1 or #2 pick to make up for a horrible Pau Gasol trade but we ended up with #5. A number of "experts" have predicted that we will pick Love. My one and only time to see him play was at the Final 4 when my Tigers pretty much shut him down. Will he make a good pro? In person, he looked shorter than I expected. He also didn't look overly powerful. He did appear to have plenty of skills. Again, this is based on seeing him only 1 time in person.
 

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In person, he looked shorter than I expected. He also didn't look overly powerful. He did appear to have plenty of skills. Again, this is based on seeing him only 1 time in person.
I saw him play (on TV) several times, and IMHO your assessment is pretty much spot on. He's probably more like 6'8" rather than the listed 6'10" and will need lots more muscle to have any hope of playing center in the NBA. He is also the most fundamentally sound player I've seen in college since...maybe forever...and this as a freshman. Right now, I'd guess he'd play pro as a power forward as many of them rebound just as well as centers, and Love makes the outlet pass as well as anyone since Bill Walton.

Memphis did indeed shut him down pretty well, but that's more because the other Bruins didn't make the Tigers guard them and they could devote more attention to Love.
 

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Very good college player with plenty of smarts. Very soft and quick hands. Knows how to play positioning both on the offensive and defensive side. Can play the low-post and hit the outside shot with consistancy. Downsides - conditioning, not a long 6'10" compared to players in the 4 spot (think Odom, Garnett, Wallace). He never seemed to be all that quick, but usually made up for it by playing angles and position. Not sure how that will playout in the NBA.

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super avid UCLA fan (class of 2001) and have watched nearly every game on TV in the past 11 yrs (dating back to baron davis).

Kevin Love: a lot of people project him to be a carlos boozer vs troy murphy type. There is no arguing his fundamentals, footwork, basketball IQ, shooting ,etc. Maybe the most fundamental big since Duncan at Wake and he was a senior when he left. He's a beast on the glass (long arms, wide frame make up for below average athleticism), and seals his guy in the paint and uses the glass with both hands extremely well. Good range on his shot and we all know about his ridiculous outlet passes (can hit the opposite backboard with chest pass under own basket). Per ESPN, he has been cutting weight (15#) and has improved his explosiveness.

Negatives: pretty slow, lumbers more than runs, has a hard time "showing" on high screens, conditioning was a question throughout the season. his pre draft training may have made him leaner and he may have an easier time getting off the floor but he is still a "below the rim" player.

Summary: don't know if he's worth a #5 pick but i think he will be a solid 17 and 9 type of player in the near future. The real question is if he can guard any 4s like KG, amare (but who really can?). He could find his niche as a pick and pop player as his frame is just huge and he has the skillset to hit the mid-range shot or make good decisions with the rock. It's OK though, anything is an improvement on Kwame. Geeez, I feel like andy katz.
 

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Guys, again my one time to watch him was while in San Antonio. I just expected him to be taller than he was in person. Same thing goes for Hansborough from NC. He looked more like 6'6'. I just don't have a lot of faith in the Griz brass. At least we don't have to watch Krume Brown any longer. We have one more year on Jason Collins and 2 more with Brian Cardinal. I do expect the Griz to make some more dumb trades this summer trying to unload guys for picks to save $. Expect Mike Miller to be moved as well as Kyle Lowry and maybe Hakim Warrick. I will be sad to lose Warrick and Lowry
 

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I don't know about drafting Love so high in the draft. Heck, UCLA broadcaster Don MacLean once said on a radio talk show here, he doesn't think Love will ever be an All-star, just one solid player for a number of years. :?
 

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Guys, Kevin Love seems to have had a good workout with the Griz yesterday as did our homeboy, Joey Dorsey. The general thought locally is we should try and trade up with Miami for Mike Miller and Kyle Lowery to get Beasely. After reading about Love's workout, I wouldn't be heartbroken if we got him. I like his attitude and his overall skill set. Here is what our local rag had to say about yesterday:

Love, Dorsey impress at Griz workout
By Ronald Tillery (Contact)
Memphis Commercial Appeal
Monday, June 9, 2008

Kevin Love sought redemption with Memphis in front of him.

Joey Dorsey wanted to reach new heights. Period.

UCLA forward Kevin Love is among the players the Grizzlies are considering with their first pick in this month's NBA draft.

For Love and Dorsey: Mission accomplished.

Love, projected to be selected in the upper half of the draft lottery, emerged as the top participant, while Dorsey more than held his own in producing the second-best workout among four big men.

The six-player session also included centers DeAndre Jordan (Texas A&M) and JaVale McGee (Nevada), and guards Kyle Weaver (Washington State) and Jeremy Pargo (Gonzaga).

The focus, though, was on the big men, and Love asserted himself as an above-average passer, perimeter shooter, post scorer and athlete who has enough lateral quickness to avoid being a defensive liability.

?He?s gotten himself into great shape since the (Final Four) loss to the Tigers,? Grizzlies general manager Chris Wallace said. ?He?s working out well. He got good measurements at the Orlando Pre-Draft Camp. His athleticism is better than expected. He?s going to do fine in the NBA and go in the upper half of the lottery.?

Love immediately shed 15 pounds after the NCAA tournament, and the training proved worthwhile during impressive full-court, three-on-three and one-on-one exercises.

?I wanted to get quicker,? Love said, ?because I?m going to have to play (power forward) in the NBA. I?ll be able to guard (centers) because of my size, but I have to be able to step out on the perimeter and use my quickness. I wanted to show I had the lateral quickness.?

Love displayed excellent shooting from mid-range and ended the workout by burying seven of 10 from beyond the NBA 3-point arc.

Whereas some lottery players rejected the notion of working against so-called lower prospects, Love embraced the idea to prove his stock.

?I?m a competitive guy. It doesn?t matter who I go against,? Love said. ?Going one against none isn?t my style. I like to bang. I wanted to play against length. JaVale and DeAndre are pretty big guys, and I scored against them a bunch of times. I?m going to have to play against guys that size at the next level, and that?s just something I had to show.?

While McGee was active and determined, Jordan had the most difficult workout among the big men. He underwhelmed greatly in endurance, defense and low-post scoring. Jordan missed a dunk and shot an air ball free throw.

The best matchups involved Love and/or Dorsey.

Love?s finest moments came against each of his bigger opponents, as he proving to be virtually impossible to guard in the post. During a one-minute drill in which players had to sprint baseline to baseline while stopping and shooting from the elbow, Love connected on five straight shots. The Grizzlies? staff required seven made shots during that span, and Love converted nine.

Dorsey only sank three baskets during that drill. But, with University of Memphis men?s basketball coach John Calipari watching, Dorsey impressed with his defense and sometimes stunning shot-making in competitive situations.

Dorsey?s fine moments happened when he dunked over a Love block attempt in a three-on-two, full-court exercise, caught a pass in the post and whirled to the basket for a score over Love, and routinely outsmarted Jordan on both ends of the court.

?I want to show everybody I can play with the top guys offensively and on defense, as well,? Dorsey said. ?I?ve put in a lot of work in the gym. I just want to play in the NBA.?

Dorsey and Love were the only big men not visibly tired during the slightly more than an hour session.

?Joey can play in the NBA,? Wallace said. ?He can be a rebounder, defender and energy guy. I think the draft is going to treat Joey much better than people would have thought at the beginning of the season.?

Love seconded that prediction.

?He?s hungry,? Love said of Dorsey. ?He?s a banger. I thought he had a great workout. He hit a bunch of shots and had a pretty nice touch. He actually showed a jump shot. He?ll definitely make a team. He?s big enough and solid.?

Dorsey said he?s worked with NBA players Rudy Gay and Carmelo Anthony in an attempt to make certain he?s seen in a different light.

?I?m getting word that, ?Joey, you might be drafted in the first round because of your defense.? I?m like, ?Wait until they see my offense,?? Dorsey said. ?With that, I think I can move up.?
 
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