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Recently some of the guys have been switching from rollers to ring guides on their heavier tackle.....well I didn't and don't agree with their reasoning....in this month's "Sport Fishing" magazine there is a piece in the gear guide section titled "Freewheelin"....it explains why rollers are the preferred guides when fishing heavy pressure and fighting fish that are much heavier than the line test.


I will stay with my rollers on my big gear...Hmmmmmm .just wondering if the switch over trend just a way for rod manufacturers to get us to buy more blanks ????? @(
 

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Anyone who has ever battled a big stubborn fish will agree with you. I've watched the same 50' of line go back and forth as the fish & I slugged it out. Rollers protected that 50' in a way rings cannot. No contest IMHO.
 

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My Big Tuna sticks are about 50/50 Rollers and Silicone Carbide guides now. Rollers are good and I wouldn't dump a whole set of rods to make rods with new or concept guides. However, I am using Fuji LBSG, USG and LRSG guides. I have fished with rollers for a very long time and am really liking the newer concept and guides. Biggest plus is I can cast a bait a lot further. Second biggest plus, no guide/crimp hanup of which I have seen. Third biggest and final reason, maintenance of the guides. Unless a roller is actually rolling it makes a lousy ring guide. Just my opinion.
 

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Ringed Roller Guides from Aftco suit both purposes. I'm sure they're a bit spendy but can't be as much as the ball bearing style. I was familiar with the ringed roller tip from building a drop back / pitchbait rod for a friend who at the time was fishing billfish in Cabo. Now I see they offer these from stripper to tip. Only problem is that they're built on the Regular Roller Guide frames which are suggested for up to 50 lb line.

Here are links to their website and catalog. If you download the catalog, about a 15 MB file, you'll see them on page 9. Also have a look at pg. 6 for a graphic display of the difference between rings and rollers on line wear.

http://aftco.com/

http://aftco.com/catalog/AFTCOCatalog2008.pdf
 

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I'm about 50-50, but I don't tangle with any of those big stubborn fish HD referred to 8)

For one thing, I do not let that same 50 feet of line go back and forth. My motto is if the lines not going out, it's coming in. I do not mess around, as neither does my brother Billy!
We have very similar style, fish very short topshots, and it works just fine for us.
I caught 3 of my 4 biggest tuna on the Excel recently with a full length Super Seeker 6463XXXH with SICs on it. I'm right now having a full length 6463XXXXH built with the same guides. The rods are roughly 6 feet 9 inches long, and I found myself fishing almost exclusively with the ring guided 3X.
 

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6463XXXXH????????????????

4X?? Holy Jumping Jelly Beans!!!
What the heck is you fishing, WD, WHALES?

For the uninitiated, here is a picture of WD carrying his 6463XXXXH rod across the lawn to his car:



8)

I do NOT wish to catch any fish that has to be caught with a 6463XXXXH rod. Nosirreee! LOL
 

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I am very inexperienced as far as Big Fish go..I did however do a 15 and 17 day trip earlier this year..All my big rods have roller guides and I did notice a few things about the roller guides and short topshots.I was using Blackwater Flouro topshots about 25 feet long (mostly 130 and also some 100)and with the coil of the Flouro going into the spectra I was having a hard time Getting the doubled up portion through the rollers to start the bait swimming.Without current it seemed to take forever to get the coil through the rollers and the line tight and bait swimming..With that I also noticed some of the regulars on Branmans trip using ring guides on the heavy sticks..I just picked up a 7465H and 7465M with Fugi guides to try next year.It probably won't help me one bit but at least I can see if it makes a difference.:):)
 

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wahoodad said:
I'm about 50-50, but I don't tangle with any of those big stubborn fish HD referred to 8)

For one thing, I do not let that same 50 feet of line go back and forth. My motto is if the lines not going out, it's coming in. I do not mess around, as neither does my brother Billy!
We have very similar style, fish very short topshots, and it works just fine for us.
I caught 3 of my 4 biggest tuna on the Excel recently with a full length Super Seeker 6463XXXH with SICs on it. I'm right now having a full length 6463XXXXH built with the same guides. The rods are roughly 6 feet 9 inches long, and I found myself fishing almost exclusively with the ring guided 3X.
Hey Dave,
I was wondering if you would not mind sharing exactly what guides, how many as well as thier layout. I ask because I am building a xxxx for the Excel 10 day in Dec. It stands to reason that the rod would be lighter and that the line would flow easier when fly-lineing the dine. Not to mention no maintenence. Do you agree?
Jeff
 

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Yes Jeff, I use the heavy duty Titainium guides they put on the stock Super Seekers. Randy was asking me how much drag pressure, wasn't sure they'd hold up. I think on those big fish I maxed out about 40-42 pounds at the end of the fight.
Perhaps one of these guys who know the names and brands of the guides can help me out: Aku, Fishy, Willy, Kastorf....
 

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Jeff I am using Fuji LBSG and USG guides on the 6463XX and the 6463XXX. The guides I am using on my 6463XX are two USG the 25 as the stripper or guide closest to the reel, then the next guide is a USG 20 going towards the tip. Then I have 6 of the other guides 2 16's, 2 12's and 2 10's and a UST Tip. For the 6463XXX I use a set of USG's 25, 20, 16, 16, 12, 12, 10, 10 and a UST tip. Hope this helps.
 

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willy said:
Jeff I am using Fuji LBSG and USG guides on the 6463XX and the 6463XXX. The guides I am using on my 6463XX are two USG the 25 as the stripper or guide closest to the reel, then the next guide is a USG 20 going towards the tip. Then I have 6 of the other guides 2 16's, 2 12's and 2 10's and a UST Tip. For the 6463XXX I use a set of USG's 25, 20, 16, 16, 12, 12, 10, 10 and a UST tip. Hope this helps.
Thanks Willy
What about the LRSG guide. the ring looks like it can't come out. I have had rings like on BHNOG guide pop from thier frame. Your thoughts any reason why the USG over the LRSG?
Thanks
Jeff
 

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buy2ls said:
It does look a bit heavier. Where do you use LBSG guide? It is just a single foot right?
Jeff
Jeff, yes the guides are a heavy single foot guide, they are awesome! Now as far as the rods in one of my previous posts:

"Jeff I am using Fuji LBSG and USG guides on 6470XH (80 to 100#) and my 6463XX. Two USG's the 25 as the stripper or guide closest to the reel, then the next guide is a USG 20 going towards the tip. Then I have 6 of the other guides 2 16's, 2 12's and 2 10's and a UST Tip. As for the 6463XXX I use a set of USG's 25, 20, 16, 16, 12, 12, 10, 10 and a UST tip. Hope this helps."
 
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