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As old retirees, in addition to our annual 8-day long range fishing trip out of San Diego, we take a couple of cruises each year. Virtually all of the cruise lines have now included a basic tip for the staff to be a part of your on-board tab. Of course, for special service you can add to that amount as you desire.

It would seem that it would be easier for all of us passengers, if the fishing tab could some day become an all-inclusive charge.

Do you think a move in this direction would be helpful?

Here is one of the cruise lines tipping guideline:

During your cruise, you will meet staff throughout the ship who provide you with excellent service. Many more crew support those who serve you directly. To save you the worry of who to tip and how much, Princess makes it easier for you to reward excellent service by automatically adding a discretionary Hotel and Dining charge of $11 USD for suites and mini-suites and $10.50 USD for all other staterooms per person per day (including children) to your shipboard account on a daily basis. This charge will be shared amongst those staff who help provide and support your cruise experience, including the wait staff, stateroom stewards, buffet stewards, galley staff, laundry staff and others.
 

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If that was the case, a crew of 4 + 2 captains, + 2 cooks, that equals 8 members on the boat. Now the people behind them, couple girls in the office, the people who store an drive the forklift with the provisions, I think we all get the picture. I would say your proposal would be pretty inexpensive. On a 8 day comming up that would mean a tip of only $88.00 @ $11.00 PER DAY. You take lets say like on this trip 22 anglers. Thats $1936.00 divided by say 11 members of the operation of the boat. You divide that by 11 an that is $176.00 to each one of them. You just might need your fishing buddy to gaff your fish for you at that Pay. LMAO.

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Old Hand said:
As old retirees, in addition to our annual 8-day long range fishing trip out of San Diego, we take a couple of cruises each year. Virtually all of the cruise lines have now included a basic tip for the staff to be a part of your on-board tab. Of course, for special service you can add to that amount as you desire.

It would seem that it would be easier for all of us passengers, if the fishing tab could some day become an all-inclusive charge.

Do you think a move in this direction would be helpful?
No, not at all.

I won't eat in restaurants that charge for an automatic "gratuity" from their customers because it leaves me no real way to show my displeasure at a poorly cooked meal or unsatisfactory service, other than taking it up with the manager or owner. On top of that the server has no real incentive to provide top notch service when they know that their tip is guranteed regardless of performance.

I could easily see the same thing happening on the boats if the tip was automatically included in the price.

A tip is an extra cost over and above the set price that is normaly based on and given due to exemplary service and consideration to the customer. If you take that out of the hands of the customer, there is no reason to perform exemplary service in the first place.


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I am floating only the concept--not the amount.

Perhaps $35-$50 per day would generally be close to the amount most folks tip. On an 8-day that would be somewhere from $280 - $400 and probably is in the range of most tips.

Remember, on the cruise lines that is the base figure, you recognize special service above the base and generally you drop some additional on your cabin steward and your waiters.

The total price of the trip wold be so much more simple if it included the base tip, permits, and fuel suppliment -- no guess work and you know the size of the check to write.
 

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. If you take that out of the hands of the customer, there is no reason to perform exemplary service in the first place.


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That should be everyones answer to include tipping. Damm your smart for a old man Chris LMAO

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You can not include tipping in an overall package because it does take away any reason for the crew to perform at any level above crappy. I call that welfare, better yet lets just pay for the trip, gas surcharge, permits, filleting and tip. Write the checks to pay their bills while we are at it then stay at home fot the duation of the trip and go back to work the day after they were to return to the dock. You get tipped according to how well you perform. Just because you have a couple of cheapskates you make a system that allows a person not to perform and punish the rest of us. Looks like I better start screwing the crews out of there tips for the rest of the year because I can see this is going to cost me an arm and a leg to have someone do nothing and get paid for it....again.
 

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Intersting idea, but in addition to the "tip=reward for performance" idea, the long range boats are facing huge amounts of backlash for base price + permits + FUEL SURCHARGE, so its pretty unlikely that right now they will institute another mandatory "extra".
 

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You may be forgetting that the TIP concept is totally different in other parts of the world, and a cruise line's client list is generally a mix of folks from all over the world. They may have instituted that to conform more to the European standard which might match better the mix of nationalities on board. I'm with the comments above, doing things that way on an San Diego LR trip would probably short the crew from their "normally" expected dollar amount, and certainly it would be less than I have tipped in the past ..... :p

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Tipping on Long Range boats is always an interesting subject.

So what is the guidelines on tipping a long range crew.....say on an 8 day trip??

Or a 5 day trip??

How about fuel surcharges? Everyone knows fuel has gone way up.....but all boats handle this surcharge differently??

I'll check back for responses.

Thanks
 

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Sternhog1 said:
Tipping on Long Range boats is always an interesting subject.

So what is the guidelines on tipping a long range crew.....say on an 8 day trip??

Or a 5 day trip??

How about fuel surcharges? Everyone knows fuel has gone way up.....but all boats handle this surcharge differently??

I'll check back for responses.

Thanks
I usually tip 15% to 20% of the fare excluding permits and fuel surcharge....that goes for a 3 day to a 10 day ... in addition
if I get the JP I'll usually give it all to the crew excluding my galley tab.

Fuel surcharges....well it's just a fact of life on fishing boats and it's just part of the deal you pay or don't play...there is one operation that does not charge fuel surcharges...

That's for good service.....and it goes down from there.
 

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I am floating only the concept--not the amount. Perhaps $35-$50 per day would generally be close to the amount most folks tip. On an 8-day that would be somewhere from $280 - $400 and probably is in the range of most tips. Remember, on the cruise lines that is the base figure, you recognize special service above the base and generally you drop some additional on your cabin steward and your waiters. The total price of the trip wold be so much more simple if it included the base tip, permits, and fuel suppliment -- no guess work and you know the size of the check to write.
I have done a lot of cruising on different lines (Princess, Royal Carribean, Celebrity and Carnival) the tipping of around $12 a day is pretty standard and if you tip more to an individual, it does not matter as ALL TIPS are pooled, that's right every single tip is pooled on cruise ships. That's the way the game is played and was quite a shock when I learned of the practice from an "insider" and confirmed later by a my Travel Agent. I was bummed when I learned of this practice. So the standardized tip on the ship account is the way the cruise line 1) Makes sure people tip and 2) Keeps track of the tips for even splitting. Also on cruiselines the daily tip amount with the international crews represent the majority of their income and also represents a better standard of living for these crew members compared to what they would recieve in their respective countries in service industries waiting tables or making up rooms. Now as far as Long Range crews and tipping the tips are pooled there as well, in other words the cooks get the same cut as the deck crew and Captain. I walk on the boat with the idea I will tip 10% to 20% of the base price of the trip (no tip on surcharges or permits)depending on the service. If I win the JP I usually give it as well minus any galley tabs like sodas, etc.

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Just a thought here, but I would suggest in a situation where the Cruise Line collects a gratuity fee up front the person actually doing the work makes even less tip.

If the cruise line collects the money they have to account for it. This is usually done by including "tip" money as income and therefore the person receiving it is taxed on the amount received.

It is no different than the waitress who you tip by adding a tip on to your credit card at the end of the meal. The restaurant reports that as earned income by her and she is taxed accordingly.

Seems to me that being charged a tip up front is not the perfect solution for the tipper or the tippee .....
 

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Like Willy, my wife an I take a cruise probably every other year for years we have been doing this. Its a must since I take LR trips 4/6 times a year.....LOL.. One thing I do is to go too the desk an request that they take off the mandatory tip that was added to my bill before we sail. They refund the money. We then tip all the people we want the nite before we enter port. This is much more then they would have received by "pooling" an distrubition. I know, I know, the engineers, painters the entire crew are not receiving any from us. Never dawned on me till now. But thats how we do it. Also, on the cruise, at the casino I was talking to this french dealer, an I was tipping her pretty heavy, (was lucky) an she told me after asking if she gets to keep the tips? She said "no". The tips are collected an then divided between all the casino help at the end of the trip. This only affirms the fact, that tips be added to the cost of the trip is not a great idea since they have no incentive to go that extra mile. JMO

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